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Stock Ermine White is just fine!!!
Easy to touch up and fix assembly damage, remember, I am kind of a butcher, no patience with "things", just people.
Good news, almost all outer panels, core support, front wheel housings are already painted.
Have muitiples and some NOS of stainless and wheel trim for both cars. Even some Nos bed rails.
Pretty soon I will have two "painted" ElCaminos to assemble.
However, I do think moving may get in the way!
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Maybe an "assembly" session with lots of easy release tape and white gloves ??



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CHOP CHOP CHOP HACK HACK HACK!!!
HURRRY HURRY HURRY

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The trim studs on the lower channel look like rivets. Where did you get them ?

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They are rivets.

One of my staff had them, I will research source.

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Wow! Looks great Karl!

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Tell Jenna she can't have it back!



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Outside was painted Tuesday.



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NICE!

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I know where the rest of the parts are..nana

Including the engine with the caved in pan..banghead

You're going to need a helper driver to get them both out to the Street Machine Nationals next year...stirpot



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1979, warmed up 350, centerbolt v/covers, turdo 400.
One wheel wonder!



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And you know it's a 1 wheel wonder because you checked the axle code ?...laughing



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cuckoo Ya right.

Son reports gentle squeeze on fuel pedal results in excessive traction loss in r/r wheel. Possibly r/rear tire failure instead?

We have experience in this as the 78 Elky he had in high school had the same defective tire issue on the r/rear.

It had all new shoes, r/rear wore out prematurely. I suggested to him I would replace that tire, due to the fact it was obviously defective, but the next one was on him.

Next one lasted longer.

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cuckoo Ya right.

Son reports gentle squeeze on fuel pedal results in excessive traction loss in r/r wheel. Possibly r/rear tire failure instead?

We have experience in this as the 78 Elky he had in high school had the same defective tire issue on the r/rear.

It had all new shoes, r/rear wore out prematurely. I suggested to him I would replace that tire, due to the fact it was obviously defective, but the next one was on him.

Next one lasted longer.

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 He hadn't learned to rotate the tires when you weren't around to have them all wear evenly...dunno



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No longer needed when he had to buy his own!

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Been a while since an update.
These pictures were taken today for the most part.
Son-in-law Ron is more ambitious than I am.
Stripping white ElCamino frame for blaster.
Frame is as pristine as they get.
Exhaust was kinda rusty.
This was the car where the fuel line had a hole in it over the axel kick up. Body mounts were "dead" rubber, really compressed, causing wear thru.



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Do you need an engine hoist ?? I have an extra one sitting in my way, if you want to borrow it.

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Thanks Mitch!

We are good.

Didn't you use our friend at JT powder coat for your frame?

Wrestling with that or just paint it like Biskwik.

Blue Elky is POR 15

Biskwik frame got a good blast of product from Ziebart when that was assembled.

Will do the same on both Elky's.

I also have two sedan trunk lids I had stripped several years ago, they have some pinholes.

Never got them primed, have some flash rust.  FREE!!

I will ultimately post in classified if no one notices here.

 

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Yes, JIT powdercoated my frame. If you're going to cover it with Ziebart, no point in spending the money for powdercoating, although it was probably less than paint. Both of my trunk lids are good, thanks.

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Update!
Frame stripped, heading to blaster. Parts all over the place!

 



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Really a pristine frame almost NO pits.

Little detailing this weekend, out for powdercoat next week.

 



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Did you get all the suspension parts blasted for coating too ?

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Bought some front control arms on Craig's list powder-coated and re-bushed.
Going to re-use springs, need to deal with trailing arms, I think I have some boxed ones somewhere, still looking.
Part of my search and destroy project this weekend!
Still sorting in Farmington.
Hope to find everything before I take the frame in next week.
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Frame being dropped off at Xtreme Powder Coat , Blooming Prairie. They have done some stuff for me before, nice people. Also Derek and Jenna can visit it, as it used to be theirs. 

Couldn't help but show a picture of our newest household member IVAN.



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IT'S BAAAACK!

A few photos from this morning.

Came out very well, and on time.

Thanks to Xtreme Powdercoat for their nice work!!

Was leaving and Dicks Hot Rod Shop pulled up.

They have a fancier hauler set up than I do!

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It's home!!



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When is the "frame assembly" tech session...thumbsup

If I'm around, I'm in.



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Son -in-law is far more ambitious than I am, he wanted to roll the frame to the new building.

Thus, the progress shown in these pictures.beers



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TTT
White Car:
Will post pictures next week, engine is done, transmission is done.
Have all mounts. Driveshaft going to Wheelco next week for joints, and balance.
Collecting pulleys and brackets for fitting and refinishing, Exhaust manifolds need to go out for ceramic coating.
Trying to decide on Pertronix for original distributor or buy new.

Plan to assemble trans, engine after all accessories mocked up and painted, and manifolds are back.

Digging out all wiring, knee knocker tack, rally gauges for fitment. Tilt wheel already added.
This car will also have added tinted glass, factory power windows and Strato Bench seat with armrest.
Need to drill holes in cowl and doors for wiring.
Will end up with black interior as NO 300 Deluxe upholstery or trim panels are available.

Blue Car:
I should have my rotisserie back from neighbor sometime in the next year, allowing me to get back on this car.
Need to finish underside, most is done, needs final caulk and re-spray, then bolt back on for good.
Must decide on A/C factory converted or Vintage.

I am in charge of funding both cars so, there are limits on how much I can spend, how fast.
Other than interiors, most of the really big $$$ have been spent.
Now time and detail.

Good excuse to try and get differential done for Biskwik.
Parking that on hoist until differential for that is ready.
With my blazing speed pretty sure it will spend the next year up there, for sure.

Further distraction, replacing my Pewter 2005 Suburban, purchased six trucks so far, may end up with three runners, one 8.1 3/4 ton.
Will have giant inventory of 2003=2006 suburban parts for sale.

Trying to keep up with Stan!beers
Never satisfied, short attention span.thumbsup
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My thoughts on Pertronix. I have the conversion in 3 of my cars. The latest, the III edition is the best and paired with the correct, matching coil, have been flawless. The coil is available in black and with the label turned to the firewall, is 90% un-noticable as a replacement. Removal of the label will look nearly identical to original.
I, also have their "look alike" billet distributor on 2 more engines, again with matching black coils. The billet body is a tad shiny to fool knowledgeable car junkies, but a few swipes with ultra-fine scotchbrite, dulls it down a little and passes muster much better. I've had a number of people tell me I should go HEI and when I inform them that what they see IS high output, electronic ignition, they look skeptical. I also say that they will never see a huge, ugly GM style HEI distributor on any of my engines. They just aren't necessary for a street cruiser.

Rear axle, we do have the axle master in our ranks and I bet he could have it done much sooner than a year...stirpot

"Never satisfied, short attention span"... OMG, can we get Stephen to insert that slogan under Stan's forum name ....laughing

Sorry Stan, but with your turnover rate, you gotta admit, it kinda fits...tiphat



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Thanks Mitch,
The 396 in the Blue car has the pertronix insert kit don't know which one.
Seemed to work fine also.

The motor was built to stock specs, slightly warmer cam, maybe 300 horse grind.
Hydraulic lifters, Eagle rods, new pistons etc.
Heads stock, new valves, lifters, rockers and seats.
Did not do screw in studs.
Has a Winters, aluminum intake now, Holly carb, with electric choke.

Thinking the billet set up as the motor was really worn out, the distributor was not any newer.
In fact it had the "bulky" HEI in it when I got it from Derek.

Thanks for the feedback.

I am the biggest hold up on the Diffi!
Have three different housing I am "reconditioning" to improve appearance.
The least pitted one I have is in the car.

Keep getting side tracked (short attention span thing)banghead


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This guy is suppose to be pretty good at conversions to HEI, using your old distributor.  A couple of 66 Guys in Phoenix have recommended him.  But I think he recently had an accident and is slow.  I always check for the two wires and know if there is a Pentronix or similar ignition under the cap.  And the 204 logo on the original coil is very visible.  Good reading.

 

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I've had great success with just points, never used the Pertronix although I think it is a good alternative to points.

I would opt for factory A/C with a reseal of the compressor for 134a, a new 134a condenser would help cooling, but it will cool just fine with original cond.

What is up with the "Diffi"???  Gears/Bearings??    Can help if you like.



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Differential issue.

Biskwik has a beat 12 bolt, posi probably 5:56 gears.
Fourth gear by time I cross the intersection, 3000rpm at 55mph, barely drivable.

I have a complete fresh 4:10 posi in another 68 basket case I acquired.
Seller was cloning up a big block car from a 39000 mile 6 cylinder stick.
Should be good, guy was a square shooter, had a built 66 post also.

Biskwik was originally delivered with a 3:55 posi gear.
Probably an ok all purpose gear for most uses.
It was then raced, a lot!
Current housing has some grenade marks inside.

I have 3 (three) 12 bolt open housings purchased complete, gutted, stripped and in cosmetic reconditioning phase.

Choice:
Continue to screw around trying to come up with a freshened 12 bolt 3:55 posi in one of my gutted housings for Biskwik.
Just move the 4:10 complete assembly from basket case to Biskwik
Pull basket case diffi and switch gears to 3:55 install in Biskwik.
Park a spare roller diffi assy. under Biskwik and get Biskwik converted back to 3:55
Biskwik housing is not pitted, little rust, nice appearance.

Sometimes having inventory creates too many possibilities.
Still have possibility of my Crate 427 GM motor for Biskwik.
Switch to auto, as the Muncie probably would not be happy with the almost 500 lbs of torque from the 427.
427-2004r built, probably 3:31 or 3:55 gear.
The basket case has disc brakes, all new bushings, ball joints, blasted and painted frame and suspension.
Could be put together and slide under Biskwik, move Biskwik complete current set up under basket case.

Remember, the frame under Biskwik came from another very dry Arizona car.
So, not original, not like I am messing with a #s match deal, most original drivetrain is long gone.

See,
Too many choices.
Easiest is to continue plan A, build a 3:55 out of one of my 12 bolt housings.
Bolt into Biskwik, play with 427 combo in other detailed frame at later time.

Now I am confusing myself!!
Karl

Thanks for comments and input, it is appreciated.
I do have the luxury of being able to deal with the distributor in house.




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Wow........... Too many choices!!!

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The Muncie will be good with the 427...that was what came in it originally...thumbsup



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I blew mine up in my original 68 385hp, 427 back in 1971.
Did not miss shift, drove home, Mom took car to
Eden Prairie and back, all over after that.

Was power shifting at the time, 32 degrees outside, engine was warmed up, only driven 10-12 blocks.
Did beat the Impala with a 409, roll up to about 65 mph, it was Nicollet avenue in Richfield after all. tsktsk


You are right Mitch, the Muncie is pretty durable, to a point.
Maybe the current 454 truck motor should get Auto in it's next life.

Guess I could just drive like the adult I am supposed to be.
I do blink sooner at 69 years of age than 21



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Yep, they will, eventually, stretch and give out. My '70 454 Chevelle ate it's original M22 on the drag strip.

The new, M23, super case "Muncies" are rated for higher torque and have a steel mid-plate to prevent flex.

The 496 in the '66 is estimated at ~550 torque. Hopefully, the M20 will live behind it for a while.

No auto in the hauler.... I prefer picking the gear for myself. It's an old habit from 40 years of driving truck, the last 28 with 15 speeds to choose from...cool

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The "Adult" thing is probably a fantasy, ask my passengerstiphat

That M-23 thing over the counter?

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Auto Gear is the manufacturer, but they where bought out a while ago and the new "owner's" website isn't very user friendly.

http://www.autogear.net/motorsports/

There are several sellers who have far more info on their websites, this is just one for info and reference. The cool thing is, you can spec a few different gear sets to work with the 3.55 rear gear and get better off the line acceleration, similar to the M20 2.52 low gear.

http://www.autogear.net/motorsports/

I would recommend Jody Hague at Jody's Transmissions, but his website is STILL under construction, after 2 years, and is basically worthless. He instructs people to call him and discuss their needs. Could still be an option, if you decide to pursue this.

http://jodystransmissions.com/Home_Page.php

 



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thumbsupEngine pictures.

Original 327, warmer cam, all first class pistons rods, bearings.
Balanced, detail assembled, fussy head work.
L-79 Winters aluminum intake, stock Holly carb, Corvette finned Aluminum valve covers.
Powerglide, freshened.

Oil Pan pictures are for Mitchtiphat

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Most of what is happening on body now is hard to quantify, one step at a time though.

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Yeah, yeah, it all looks great...thumbsup

Where did you find a good body man to straighten the pan...razz



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Engine Shop took care of it,
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Time for update:
Ordered and received distributor and coils from summit, thanks Mitch for your advise.
Dropping Exhaust manifolds off for ceramic coating tomorrow.
Still need to order wire set.

Son-in-Law working on firewall, floor and all plumbing.

May try and get glass in prior to Bowtie Brunch.

Goal at Brunch, assemble trans, engine, manifolds, wiring, distributor set in car.

Some pictures to follow.

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Exhaust Manifolds done (ceramic coating), fresh water pump,
Billet flamethrower 3 distributor and coil, wires. Thanks Mitch!
Most all brackets and p/s pump detailed.
New stock reproduction 5 blade fan.
Starter out being upgraded to Hi-torque, alternator getting a "hug"
Driveshaft balanced, new u-joints.

New back glass, windshield, hope to have installed prior to Bow Tie Brunch.
Firewall, heater/ac mostly assembled.

Issue to resolve at Brunch, rear brake line too long, may need to coil, stainless, tough to cut and re-flare.
If someone has experience and the "super tool" for stainless flare it sure would help.
Pictures to follow later today.

My Son-in Law Ron used most of his recent "must use up" Vacation cleaning, detailing, painting and assembling.
We both have made a few parts runs and been ordering stuff online.

Getting close.
Plan on transporting Car from 'Treasure Chest" (AKA Farmington Toy Box) on Wednesday, hopefully for glass install.

Looking forward to a fun day!
Karl

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